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56independent [Graffiti on Wagons] Remove erronious double dot
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 //Note: this page should be about the discussion that took place during the conference itself. Comments should be written elsewhere, e.g. on the mailing list.// //Note: this page should be about the discussion that took place during the conference itself. Comments should be written elsewhere, e.g. on the mailing list.//
  
-This conference is mainly about the livery system for Advtrains. The conference started at 20:05 UTC.+This conference is mainly about the livery system for Advtrains. The conference started at 20:05 UTC. Some participants used voice chat, but others were text-only. File your own notes beside others' notes in the below sections and leave a ("Notes by @name") statement. You may create new sections if you feel the current ones don't encompass the entire scope of the conference.
  
 ===== Painter Tool ===== ===== Painter Tool =====
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 **Still WIP, if you have some notes, please contribute** **Still WIP, if you have some notes, please contribute**
  
 +(Notes by @Blockhead)
  
 +  * It was agreed we needed our own train painter tool separate from bike mod, and the proposed formspec seemed agreeable.
 +  * It was agreed that to begin with, backwards compatibility with the bike painter needs to be maintained so that E231 and doxy minitram will continue to work.
 +  * It was agreed that wagon mods will handle their own painting
 +  * The 3D model preview for the standard painting formspec seemed feasible with a model[] formspec element, and the livery texture string can be applied to that.
 +  * There was consensus that in the UI for multi-component liveries, deletion needs confirmation or to be quite hard to do accidentally at least.
 +  * There was consensus that an apply button needs to be separate and that liveries shouldn't automatically be applied, to make aborting changes easy.
 +  * It was agreed a train painter track was a lower priority than the hand-based painter and should come later
 +  * The concern about survival mode was raised. There was a proposal that the wagon mod itself should handle coming up with the recipes and requiring materials.
 +  * Later in the conference, 56i brought up the idea of making livery customisation available from the driver's seat. This was inspired by plane simulators where planes can be customised on the ground before taking off.
 +    * Maverick2797 and others disagreed mostly because livery is irrelevant to the operation.
 +
 +===== Better subway wagon for Basic Trains =====
 +(Notes by @Blockhead)
 +
 +  * This has been a work in progress by Blockhead for some time, and is basically feature-complete
 +  * The reason it has not been submitted is to prepare a patch for transitioning disco trains & subway colored mod wagons into standard subway wagons. This requires a core change for registering 'wagon transitions', which change wagon types at load time.
 +  * W3RQ01 commented that he has been running that subway wagon on a server he co-administrates for some time without issues and it should be ready for release in that aspect.
 +
 +===== Aging / Weathering wagons =====
 +(Notes by @Blockhead)
 +
 +  * It was agreed that this was a lower priority than livery functions, and will probably come after if at all.
 +  * There was discussion of implementation, which continued from discussion between Blockhead and W3RQ01 prior to the conference:
 +    * W3RQ01 mentioned that his first idea of basing it on the day/night cycle does not work in case the time changes with a command.
 +    * Another idea was to base it on time passing.
 +      * This idea would also make trains age even when in storage, which seemed wrong
 +    * The final idea from W3RQ01 - which seemed to work better - was to base aging on distance travelled.
 +      * At least one implementation was discussed: A separate mod that runs on a timer and iterates all wagons, measures their distance travelled and adds it to the age. Wagons would then calculate their final appearance as their livery plus aging with more texture modifiers on top.
 +  * Marnack noted that the DlxTrains implementation is to have the aging elements in the same texture file as the rest of the wagon, and use spritesheeting/cropping to select different aging patterns.
 +  * It was a agreed aging must be wagon-specific, because of the various sizes and UV map patterns of every different wagon. A generic 'paint chip' or 'rust spot' or 'dirt layer' probably would not work very well.
 +  * 56independent mentioned that the train should be [[https://twitter.com/Thisiswow_/status/1544270426561724416|washable]].
 +    * I (Blockhead) think that like a lot of tools there should be a train washing hand tool and a fixed position train washer 'track' or larger apparatus.
 +    * There may also be a tool to artificially age wagons.
 +  * 56independent mentioned that he thought the aging should be configurable in 3 ways:
 +    * Aging per metre travelled
 +    * Aging per unit time
 +    * Aging according to acceleration
 +
 +===== Graffiti on Wagons =====
 +(Notes by @Blockhead)
 +
 +W3RQ01 brought a verbal proposal / request for comment about the idea of graffiti on trains.
 +
 +  * It was agreed that graffiti was a lower priority than aging and would only be likely to happen a while into the future.
 +  * It was agreed that graffiti would be drawn on top of the texture stack, after the base livery and any aging, since that's how spray cans would work on a real train.
 +  * W3RQ01 may sample graffiti from real trains or produce his own work.
 +    * Graffiti from the real world may be easier to prepare, or more realistic
 +    * Graffiti can be harder to draw on the computer, but might have more charm.
 +  * Blockhead proposed that graffiti would live in its own separate mod just like aging.
 +  * There was discussion of the privileges needed to paint a train.
 +    * The most likely requirement was train_operator plus wagon ownership; or wagon whitelisting to paint others' wagons; or train_admin to paint any wagon at all.
 +    * On some servers graffiti might not require any privileges.
 +  * There was light-hearted discussion about whether advtrains would work on an Anarchy and/or free-for-all server, and about graffiti-ing public transport trains on servers.
 +
 +The conference topics had mostly been discussed at this point; the following topics are less related to livery.
 +
 +===== MBB's mods =====
 +(Notes by @Blockhead)
 +
 +  * MBB licensed his mods under a CC licence recently, and Blockhead and W3RQ01 have wanted to move them to a centralised place not under a single person's account where they can be maintained, since MBB is not interested in Minetest any more.
 +  * W3RQ01 volunteered as maintainer and possibly to improve/update art assets especially textures in MBB's old mods.
 +  * A poll was brought forward to decide what platform the maintained MBB mod repos would live on. NotABug won against GitHub, GitLab, NotABug and possibly others that got no or minimal votes. Blockhead and W3RQ01 will be looking at where to file the mods on NotABug soon.
 +
 +
 +===== General advtrains business =====
 +(Notes by @Blockhead)
 +
 +Ywang brought up several items of general business:
 +  * Doxy's destination displays code was useful for the outside of trains, but interior passenger information displays would be good too.
 +  * The idea of an actually interactive driving experience with operating controls came up. It seemed like it would be hard to make work within Minetest's engine limitations:
 +    * Formspecs are too restricting/divorced from the real world.
 +    * HUD elements can't be clicked on in any way.
 +    * Trains in the dark would probably have controls that are too hard to see if they have the same light applied as the wagon enity.
 +    * Note form later: Keyboard controls are also very restricted in Minetest.
 +  * The automated test world that was running under SourceHut CI was borked because it used mismatched versions of Minetest and Minetest Game.
 +    * Blockhead questioned why it was on MTG and not devtest (or later thought: minipeli or something equally stripped down; the reason may be if we want to test crafting).
 +  * Ywang said that testing his Distant Signalling implementation would be hard, and he might only be able to write an overall test - "module" or "integration test" (wording by Blockhead) - rather than unit tests
 +    * Blockhead said that parts should still be unit testable like the "set_aspect" function of some signals.
 +    * Doxydoxy mentioned that busted was good enough for his minitram mod with minimal use of the Minetest APIs.
 +
 +(Notes by @ywang)
 +
 +//The notes here are mostly to complement Blockhead's notes and to present my own perspective/thought when I mentioned these points during the conference. -ywang//
 +  * @doxydoxy's destination display would also be useful for interior displays. (Later thought: I am no longer sure about this, considering that interior displays can have way more complicated styles than exterior displays. Some testing would be needed for this)
 +  * With the eye attachment offset, it could be more sensible to attach the display on the train itself instead of using a HUD, and it could be possible to create a slightly more interactive control system instead of relying too much on formspecs. However, the MT engine has some restrictions for this idea (see Blockhead's notes). I considered this and the point above to be partly relevant to liveries as these are all internally implemented with textures in some way.
 +  * The CI setup for the test world broke in mid-June due to an commit to MTG that required a later version of the MT engine.
 +    * Note from later: For some reason I did not think about devtest when creating the test world. This turned out to be quite a mistake.
 +  * As I was working on distant signaling around the time, I noted that some tests I wrote are not //strictly// unittests because there are tests that can be used for multiple components at the same time and creating individual tests would be relatively time-consuming.
 +  * I also mentioned localization as it appeared to me that there was some interest in l10n. This point more or less boiled down to "take time for it - localization is not easy".
 =====Chat Log===== =====Chat Log=====
 +This chat log of the text was provided by 56independent.
  
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 doxygen-spammer says:Such a tool whould just provide paint_color and alpha as metadata, withut interacting itself.  doxygen-spammer says:Such a tool whould just provide paint_color and alpha as metadata, withut interacting itself. 
 20:13 20:13
-me says:I think the bike painter needs to be able to pick up colours. The amount of times i have had to recolour my rolling stock because of a simple colour change.... +56independent says:I think the bike painter needs to be able to pick up colours. The amount of times i have had to recolour my rolling stock because of a simple colour change.... 
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 doxygen-spammer doxygen-spammer
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 doxygen-spammer says:+1  doxygen-spammer says:+1 
 20:15 20:15
-me says:I would prefer a LuaATC api. If we made tracks for each thing you can do, then it would be a nightmare (Here is the door track, here is the speed track, and here is the painter track)  +56independent says:I would prefer a LuaATC api. If we made tracks for each thing you can do, then it would be a nightmare (Here is the door track, here is the speed track, and here is the painter track)  
-me says:100%, we need to superseed it +56independent says:100%, we need to superseed it 
 20:16 20:16
 Maverick2797 Maverick2797
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 Y. Wang says:What could be possible is to provide some tabs for "standard" options and some for wagon/painter-specific options.  Y. Wang says:What could be possible is to provide some tabs for "standard" options and some for wagon/painter-specific options. 
 20:18 20:18
-me says:I like that, 1+ +56independent says:I like that, 1+ 
 20:19 20:19
 Maverick2797 Maverick2797
 Maverick2797 says:tool:   on_use = show_wagon_livery_forspec  Maverick2797 says:tool:   on_use = show_wagon_livery_forspec 
 20:20 20:20
-me says:I would love that, but we should consider performance +56independent says:I would love that, but we should consider performance 
 20:21 20:21
 W3RQ01 - dario23 W3RQ01 - dario23
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 Maverick2797 says:model formspec code  Maverick2797 says:model formspec code 
 20:22 20:22
-me says:Will there be a way we can have a way of hand-crafting our own textures in-game, for our own companies?  +56independent says:Will there be a way we can have a way of hand-crafting our own textures in-game, for our own companies?  
-me says:¿And save externally? +56independent says:¿And save externally? 
 20:24 20:24
 doxygen-spammer doxygen-spammer
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 Marnack says:I have  Marnack says:I have 
 20:32 20:32
-me says:I have used the tram and painted it with the bike painter, but i haven +56independent says:I have used the tram and painted it with the bike painter, but i haven 
 20:32 20:32
 Maverick2797 Maverick2797
 Maverick2797 says:not yet  Maverick2797 says:not yet 
 20:32 20:32
-me says:'t had a chance to use the inside painter  +56independent says:'t had a chance to use the inside painter  
-me says:+1 +56independent says:+1 
 20:33 20:33
 mary4 mary4
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 doxygen-spammer says:Basically your formspec sketch built of nodes.  doxygen-spammer says:Basically your formspec sketch built of nodes. 
 20:34 20:34
-me says:I can adjust to L+S  +56independent says:I can adjust to L+S  
-me says:As a user +56independent says:As a user 
 20:35 20:35
 doxygen-spammer doxygen-spammer
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 Marnack says:dlx is more complex because the normal and aged liveries are in the same png file  Marnack says:dlx is more complex because the normal and aged liveries are in the same png file 
 20:37 20:37
-me says:Do you think that as more trains get livery options, there will be a few-box system of liveries, with a different type of livery system for a different group of trains? Will all livery options will be standardised to one system, which can be used for everything?  +56independent says:Do you think that as more trains get livery options, there will be a few-box system of liveries, with a different type of livery system for a different group of trains? Will all livery options will be standardised to one system, which can be used for everything?  
-me says:100% love that +56independent says:100% love that 
 20:40 20:40
 Y. Wang Y. Wang
 Y. Wang says:I thought orwell wanted to revive itrainmap?  Y. Wang says:I thought orwell wanted to revive itrainmap? 
 20:40 20:40
-me says:On the topic of copy tool, i feel like we need a train delete tool,which deletes an entire train. This is useful when you get ovezealous with the copy tool, or merge lines onto the same track and need to reduce frequency. +56independent says:On the topic of copy tool, i feel like we need a train delete tool,which deletes an entire train. This is useful when you get ovezealous with the copy tool, or merge lines onto the same track and need to reduce frequency. 
 20:41 20:41
 W3RQ01 - dario23 W3RQ01 - dario23
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 W3RQ01 - dario23 says:store them on a depot  W3RQ01 - dario23 says:store them on a depot 
 20:41 20:41
-me says:I'd rather store them inside; i am scared of the roof breaking. +56independent says:I'd rather store them inside; i am scared of the roof breaking. 
 20:42 20:42
 mary4 mary4
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 Maverick2797 says:itrainmap: yeah i think that was also going to be part of/after the route_prog_rework branch?  Maverick2797 says:itrainmap: yeah i think that was also going to be part of/after the route_prog_rework branch? 
 20:42 20:42
-me says:100%, we need automation as there are less people on the server then workers needed for trains +56independent says:100%, we need automation as there are less people on the server then workers needed for trains 
 20:42 20:42
 Maverick2797 Maverick2797
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 Y. Wang says:56i: Shanghai Metro?  Y. Wang says:56i: Shanghai Metro? 
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-me says:It would be nicer after beta to put the systems together  +56independent says:It would be nicer after beta to put the systems together  
-me says:Like E321 is one component entirely  +56independent says:Like E321 is one component entirely  
-me says:And you can pick from preset colours, working wtih DLXcompanies  +56independent says:And you can pick from preset colours, working wtih DLXcompanies  
-me says:The bike painter should be usable until the livery system works to a high level  +56independent says:The bike painter should be usable until the livery system works to a high level  
-me says:A level so high the bike painter is like using a butter knife compared to a butcher's knife +56independent says:A level so high the bike painter is like using a butter knife compared to a butcher's knife 
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 Marnack Marnack
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 Y. Wang says:The problem is that there is no sensible replacement for formspecs  Y. Wang says:The problem is that there is no sensible replacement for formspecs 
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-me says:Excuse the pun +56independent says:Excuse the pun 
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 Maverick2797 Maverick2797
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 Y. Wang says:That cost is hard to calculate accurately though depending on how precise it should be  Y. Wang says:That cost is hard to calculate accurately though depending on how precise it should be 
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-me says:IMO, it should cost maybe a few cheap craft items (paint) for the inconvienince, but the cost should be configurable.  +56independent says:IMO, it should cost maybe a few cheap craft items (paint) for the inconvienince, but the cost should be configurable.  
-me says:generally, across each livery edit unit (maybe individual component recolour) +56independent says:generally, across each livery edit unit (maybe individual component recolour) 
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 doxygen-spammer doxygen-spammer
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 Maverick2797 says:+1  Maverick2797 says:+1 
 20:52 20:52
-me says:+1  +56independent says:+1  
-me says:For Brittrains, my in-development mod, i would like to take a mix of DLX and Konstrata. You can colour some bits, but you can also take some companies (Virgin trains vs Avanti for example)# +56independent says:For Brittrains, my in-development mod, i would like to take a mix of DLX and Konstrata. You can colour some bits, but you can also take some companies (Virgin trains vs Avanti for example)# 
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 Marnack Marnack
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 doxygen-spammer says:Thats Why I want group:rgp_paint_ng_tool.  doxygen-spammer says:Thats Why I want group:rgp_paint_ng_tool. 
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-me says:We should make our own bike painter and then supersede it.  +56independent says:We should make our own bike painter and then supersede it.  
-me says:Call it "100% ORIGINAL train painter" +56independent says:Call it "100% ORIGINAL train painter" 
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 Marnack Marnack
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 Maverick2797 says:advtrains_tools:"Totally not a bike😛ainter clone"_tool  Maverick2797 says:advtrains_tools:"Totally not a bike😛ainter clone"_tool 
 21:00 21:00
-me says:100% genuine +56independent says:100% genuine 
 21:00 21:00
 Marnack Marnack
 Marnack says:blockhead: nice!  Marnack says:blockhead: nice! 
 21:02 21:02
-me says:Unrelated: I would like a modernised subway wagon, on-par with the E231 but specially designed for the underground. The current subway wagon is a relic of Advtrains first days, not a representation of what it is capable of today. +56independent says:Unrelated: I would like a modernised subway wagon, on-par with the E231 but specially designed for the underground. The current subway wagon is a relic of Advtrains first days, not a representation of what it is capable of today. 
 21:05 21:05
 Maverick2797 Maverick2797
 Maverick2797 says:that's what better_subway_wagon is  Maverick2797 says:that's what better_subway_wagon is 
 21:05 21:05
-me says:!  +56independent says:!  
-me says:I like it  +56independent says:I like it  
-me says:But i don't use it as it reminds me of LF. +56independent says:But i don't use it as it reminds me of LF. 
 21:06 21:06
 Y. Wang Y. Wang
 Y. Wang says:Isn't the E231 used for commuter services?  Y. Wang says:Isn't the E231 used for commuter services? 
 21:07 21:07
-me says:The tram, AFAIK, has its door constantly open so is unsafe +56independent says:The tram, AFAIK, has its door constantly open so is unsafe 
 21:07 21:07
 Blockhead Blockhead
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 W3RQ01 - dario23 says:E231 is a local train for local services  W3RQ01 - dario23 says:E231 is a local train for local services 
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-me says:Also, i use the underground mod and i added sound, but it is loud and does not depend on distance like the E321. Also, i don't like the look of turns, when the tube breaks apart. +56independent says:Also, i use the underground mod and i added sound, but it is loud and does not depend on distance like the E321. Also, i don't like the look of turns, when the tube breaks apart. 
 21:08 21:08
 doxygen-spammer doxygen-spammer
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 doxygen-spammer says:That will be necessary, because the patch has bad side effects.  doxygen-spammer says:That will be necessary, because the patch has bad side effects. 
 21:09 21:09
-me says:I suggest this course of action for painters:+56independent says:I suggest this course of action for painters:
 1 - Convert bike painter into Advtrains 1 - Convert bike painter into Advtrains
 2 - Begin working on custome system 2 - Begin working on custome system
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 doxygen-spammer says:I might be interested in drawing skins. (To promote my multy_component_liveries 😉 )  doxygen-spammer says:I might be interested in drawing skins. (To promote my multy_component_liveries 😉 ) 
 21:11 21:11
-me says:I wish i knew how 😕 What i really need to know is how to make a standard base, one with varied colours and spots, like the metal or dirt texture. +56independent says:I wish i knew how 😕 What i really need to know is how to make a standard base, one with varied colours and spots, like the metal or dirt texture. 
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-me says:I like your pantograph. I wish i was that good 😕 +56independent says:I like your pantograph. I wish i was that good 😕 
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-me says:Thanks, good idea  +56independent says:Thanks, good idea  
-me says:I remember stealing other textures and changing their colours XD  +56independent says:I remember stealing other textures and changing their colours XD  
-me says:Thanks  +56independent says:Thanks  
-me says:it should be configurable, and maybe we should have special train washing commands to wash the train and make it brighter  +56independent says:it should be configurable, and maybe we should have special train washing commands to wash the train and make it brighter  
-me says:I can imagine building a washable facility +56independent says:I can imagine building a washable facility 
 21:23 21:23
 Marnack Marnack
 Marnack says:Auto aging is very complex to have it look reasonable.  Marnack says:Auto aging is very complex to have it look reasonable. 
 21:23 21:23
-me says:I am thinking of putting it in the line somewhere +56independent says:I am thinking of putting it in the line somewhere 
 21:24 21:24
 Marnack Marnack
 Marnack says:aging would best be handled similar to plant growth  Marnack says:aging would best be handled similar to plant growth 
 21:25 21:25
-me says:The rate and units should be configurable (one arbituary unit per metre, one arbituary unit per unit-time, one arbituary unit per slowdown/speedup) +56independent says:The rate and units should be configurable (one arbituary unit per metre, one arbituary unit per unit-time, one arbituary unit per slowdown/speedup) 
 21:26 21:26
 Blockhead Blockhead
 Blockhead says:*arbitrary  Blockhead says:*arbitrary 
 21:26 21:26
-me says:Sorry, the English spelling system is no good +56independent says:Sorry, the English spelling system is no good 
 21:26 21:26
 Blockhead Blockhead
 Blockhead says:pronounced "arbitree" by many people  Blockhead says:pronounced "arbitree" by many people 
 21:26 21:26
-me says:Are-Bituary, like obituary for me +56independent says:Are-Bituary, like obituary for me 
 21:27 21:27
 Maverick2797 Maverick2797
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 W3RQ01 - dario23 says:use italian  W3RQ01 - dario23 says:use italian 
 21:28 21:28
-me says:Yes. I am actually making a simplified dialect, called Renglish. It has it's own spelling system  +56independent says:Yes. I am actually making a simplified dialect, called Renglish. It has it's own spelling system  
-me says:Yo tolka hablo poco Español y poco Ruso 😕 +56independent says:Yo tolka hablo poco Español y poco Ruso 😕 
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 Marnack says:The aged livery in is the png with the main livery  Marnack says:The aged livery in is the png with the main livery 
 21:29 21:29
-me says:Hmm +56independent says:Hmm 
 21:30 21:30
 Marnack Marnack
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 doxygen-spammer says:Lightening is only with alpha-blending white, which desaturates everything.  doxygen-spammer says:Lightening is only with alpha-blending white, which desaturates everything. 
 21:32 21:32
-me says:As i said, units should be standardised  +56independent says:As i said, units should be standardised  
-me says:*configurable +56independent says:*configurable 
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 doxygen-spammer doxygen-spammer
 doxygen-spammer says:[Multiply_texture and [Screen_texture would be nice modifiers, even without performance impact.  doxygen-spammer says:[Multiply_texture and [Screen_texture would be nice modifiers, even without performance impact. 
 21:33 21:33
-me says:1/metre, 1/time, 1/speed +56independent says:1/metre, 1/time, 1/speed 
 21:33 21:33
 W3RQ01 - dario23 W3RQ01 - dario23
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 Marnack says:I think we need some written proposals for auto aging.  There are several options we could consider.  Marnack says:I think we need some written proposals for auto aging.  There are several options we could consider. 
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-me says:brb gonna make some tea +56independent says:brb gonna make some tea 
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 Marnack Marnack
 Marnack says:I somehow missed the posting of the proposals before today...  Marnack says:I somehow missed the posting of the proposals before today... 
 21:40 21:40
-me says:I'm autistic so it's very hard to build habits. I'll obsess over the wiki for some days, and then move onto something else. +56independent says:I'm autistic so it's very hard to build habits. I'll obsess over the wiki for some days, and then move onto something else. 
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 Marnack Marnack
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 doxygen-spammer says:😃  doxygen-spammer says:😃 
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-me says:Sometimes once every waking hour, sometimes once every month +56independent says:Sometimes once every waking hour, sometimes once every month 
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 doxygen-spammer doxygen-spammer
 doxygen-spammer says:Graffitis in germany have bad reputation. There are nice ones, but “tags” are too present.  doxygen-spammer says:Graffitis in germany have bad reputation. There are nice ones, but “tags” are too present. 
 21:42 21:42
-me says:Intresting  +56independent says:Intresting  
-me says:I would love that +56independent says:I would love that 
 21:43 21:43
 Y. Wang Y. Wang
 Y. Wang says:dario23: how about introducing social crediting to MT to avoid that? 😛  Y. Wang says:dario23: how about introducing social crediting to MT to avoid that? 😛 
 21:43 21:43
-me says:Special train cleaning places for vandalism +56independent says:Special train cleaning places for vandalism 
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 Marnack Marnack
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 Blockhead says:LIke Minecraft: China Edition...  Blockhead says:LIke Minecraft: China Edition... 
 21:43 21:43
-me says:Interesante  +56independent says:Interesante  
-me says:Honestly, vandalism would be cool to add to the server lore of mine. The people from the people mod are angry that i build a line through their village so they vandalize, using ghost train queues as oppertunities +56independent says:Honestly, vandalism would be cool to add to the server lore of mine. The people from the people mod are angry that i build a line through their village so they vandalize, using ghost train queues as oppertunities 
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 Maverick2797 Maverick2797
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 Maverick2797 says:they indicate a poor trackwork setup  Maverick2797 says:they indicate a poor trackwork setup 
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-me says:As i said, server lore. I have already built a system of catacombs and said the stars are other servers  +56independent says:As i said, server lore. I have already built a system of catacombs and said the stars are other servers  
-me says:Don't worry, ghost trains are slowly resolving across my server  +56independent says:Don't worry, ghost trains are slowly resolving across my server  
-me says:Too much track griefing on anarchy  +56independent says:Too much track griefing on anarchy  
-me says:People grief it for the sake of griefing  +56independent says:People grief it for the sake of griefing  
-me says:Combine vandalism and ageing in the same layers?  +56independent says:Combine vandalism and ageing in the same layers?  
-me says:Seems like a way to reduce work +56independent says:Seems like a way to reduce work 
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 Marnack Marnack
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 doxygen-spammer says:Listening  doxygen-spammer says:Listening 
 21:51 21:51
-me says:I think we need tracks without ballast, with dirt, and other things. But britisignals may implement them in the future +56independent says:I think we need tracks without ballast, with dirt, and other things. But britisignals may implement them in the future 
 21:52 21:52
 Blockhead Blockhead
 Blockhead says:more track and ballast mods are welcome  Blockhead says:more track and ballast mods are welcome 
 21:52 21:52
-me says:I will try +56independent says:I will try 
 21:52 21:52
 Maverick2797 Maverick2797
 Maverick2797 says:tracks without ballast are default, we just need more ballast types than default:gravel  Maverick2797 says:tracks without ballast are default, we just need more ballast types than default:gravel 
 21:52 21:52
-me says:But it's hard with the hobby cycle  +56independent says:But it's hard with the hobby cycle  
-me says:I've been struggling steering it back to programming.  +56independent says:I've been struggling steering it back to programming.  
-me says:+56independent says:
 http://56i.duckdns.org/blog/#The%20Hobby%20Cycle http://56i.duckdns.org/blog/#The%20Hobby%20Cycle
    
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 doxygen-spammer says:“I've been struggling steering it back to programming. ” Understand and feel.  doxygen-spammer says:“I've been struggling steering it back to programming. ” Understand and feel. 
 21:53 21:53
-me says:You neurodivergent?  +56independent says:You neurodivergent?  
-me says:i kind of let it do what it does, it's healthier that way +56independent says:i kind of let it do what it does, it's healthier that way 
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 doxygen-spammer doxygen-spammer
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 Marnack says:I'm waiting for gabriel on that  Marnack says:I'm waiting for gabriel on that 
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-me says:I am also working on an Intercity, the 70s one XD  +56independent says:I am also working on an Intercity, the 70s one XD  
-me says:The BR one +56independent says:The BR one 
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 Marnack Marnack
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 doxygen-spammer says:“scale ... texture” That is why I have a second texture slot for displays. Then I can rescale the texture freely, depending on the text size.  doxygen-spammer says:“scale ... texture” That is why I have a second texture slot for displays. Then I can rescale the texture freely, depending on the text size. 
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-me says:mmmh, hot tea +56independent says:mmmh, hot tea 
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 doxygen-spammer doxygen-spammer
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 doxygen-spammer says:When I make a new Konstal model, I plan to record some working steps to write a guide in the wiki.  doxygen-spammer says:When I make a new Konstal model, I plan to record some working steps to write a guide in the wiki. 
 21:59 21:59
-me says:I've always used .obj. Should i use .b3d?  +56independent says:I've always used .obj. Should i use .b3d?  
-me says:Why?  +56independent says:Why?  
-me says:ah,that's fine  +56independent says:ah,that's fine  
-me says:We need to move the flightgear community into advtrains so we can get all sorts of train models ; - )  +56independent says:We need to move the flightgear community into advtrains so we can get all sorts of train models ; - )  
-me says:Also: I feel that station tracks should use a rolling stop and not a brakeing stop  +56independent says:Also: I feel that station tracks should use a rolling stop and not a brakeing stop  
-me says:Same for PSR and signal signs +56independent says:Same for PSR and signal signs 
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 Marnack Marnack
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 Maverick2797 says:rolling stop: that's kind of controlled by LZB  Maverick2797 says:rolling stop: that's kind of controlled by LZB 
 22:02 22:02
-me says:I've always seen a train be put into braking mode +56independent says:I've always seen a train be put into braking mode 
 22:03 22:03
 doxygen-spammer doxygen-spammer
 doxygen-spammer says:Im not taking notes.  doxygen-spammer says:Im not taking notes. 
 22:03 22:03
-me says:!! +56independent says:!! 
 22:03 22:03
 Maverick2797 Maverick2797
 Maverick2797 says:otherwise you could put atc tracks ahead of the station approach  Maverick2797 says:otherwise you could put atc tracks ahead of the station approach 
 22:03 22:03
-me says:I have recorded this into OBS...?  +56independent says:I have recorded this into OBS...?  
-me says:Can someone take the chat as i am not giving out the video, only the sound +56independent says:Can someone take the chat as i am not giving out the video, only the sound 
 22:04 22:04
 Y. Wang Y. Wang
 Y. Wang says:56i: don't give out any  Y. Wang says:56i: don't give out any 
 22:04 22:04
-me says:The video has tabs on which are kinda private +56independent says:The video has tabs on which are kinda private 
 22:04 22:04
 Maverick2797 Maverick2797
 Maverick2797 says:most chat items have been brought up by voice anyway i think  Maverick2797 says:most chat items have been brought up by voice anyway i think 
 22:05 22:05
-me says:I'll post a link to the sound  +56independent says:I'll post a link to the sound  
-me says:Once it's on my webserver +56independent says:Once it's on my webserver 
 22:05 22:05
 Y. Wang Y. Wang
 Y. Wang says:56i: don't  Y. Wang says:56i: don't 
 22:05 22:05
-me says:Ok  +56independent says:Ok  
-me says:Unlisted video? +56independent says:Unlisted video? 
 22:05 22:05
 Maverick2797 Maverick2797
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 Blockhead says:best not to publish - privacy  Blockhead says:best not to publish - privacy 
 22:05 22:05
-me says:Where do i put the audio?  +56independent says:Where do i put the audio?  
-me says:Email? +56independent says:Email? 
 22:05 22:05
 Y. Wang Y. Wang
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 Maverick2797 says:if i wanted my voice spread across the internet I'd start a youtube channel  Maverick2797 says:if i wanted my voice spread across the internet I'd start a youtube channel 
 22:06 22:06
-me says:What if i use AI transcription? +56independent says:What if i use AI transcription? 
 22:06 22:06
 doxygen-spammer doxygen-spammer
 doxygen-spammer says:We should have talked about it at the beginning. BigBlueButon can record, and shows that to everyone.  doxygen-spammer says:We should have talked about it at the beginning. BigBlueButon can record, and shows that to everyone. 
 22:06 22:06
-me says:we have two.6 hours of meeting and i honestly don't want to put myself through the effort +56independent says:we have two.6 hours of meeting and i honestly don't want to put myself through the effort 
 22:06 22:06
 doxygen-spammer doxygen-spammer
 doxygen-spammer says:I think you should only copy the chat, and send it to anyone *of us*, and ask them to look what is missing in the public notes.  doxygen-spammer says:I think you should only copy the chat, and send it to anyone *of us*, and ask them to look what is missing in the public notes. 
 22:07 22:07
-me says:Should i add more train diversity?  +56independent says:Should i add more train diversity?  
-me says:Like add my own trains?  +56independent says:Like add my own trains?  
-me says:Or is my time better spent elsewheere? +56independent says:Or is my time better spent elsewheere? 
 22:08 22:08
 Y. Wang Y. Wang
 Y. Wang says:Feel free to create new mods for that  Y. Wang says:Feel free to create new mods for that 
 22:08 22:08
-me says:Thanks +56independent says:Thanks 
 22:08 22:08
 Blockhead Blockhead
 Blockhead says:choose what you want and find easy out of signals, wagons etc.  Blockhead says:choose what you want and find easy out of signals, wagons etc. 
 22:08 22:08
-me says:Thanks +56independent says:Thanks 
 22:08 22:08
 Y. Wang Y. Wang
 Y. Wang says:There may be further conferences on other topics though, but ultimately it comes down to your own interests (more or less)  Y. Wang says:There may be further conferences on other topics though, but ultimately it comes down to your own interests (more or less) 
 22:08 22:08
-me says:What i like is server administration. Maybe Gabriel should hand over the passwords? /j +56independent says:What i like is server administration. Maybe Gabriel should hand over the passwords? /j 
 22:08 22:08
 Y. Wang Y. Wang
 Y. Wang says:That is not related to development itself  Y. Wang says:That is not related to development itself 
 22:10 22:10
-me says:I would try my hand in signals if it wasn't for the API being distant from my reach and the reach of distant signals.  +56independent says:I would try my hand in signals if it wasn't for the API being distant from my reach and the reach of distant signals.  
-me says:I might make automatic interlocking +56independent says:I might make automatic interlocking 
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 doxygen-spammer doxygen-spammer
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 doxygen-spammer says:meta poll?  doxygen-spammer says:meta poll? 
 22:12 22:12
-me says:xD +56independent says:xD 
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 doxygen-spammer doxygen-spammer
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 doxygen-spammer says:My attention span is over.  doxygen-spammer says:My attention span is over. 
 22:13 22:13
-me says:I chose gitlab and gabriel  +56independent says:I chose gitlab and gabriel  
-me says:Fine  +56independent says:Fine  
-me says:Good  +56independent says:Good  
-me says:I subscribed to all three  +56independent says:I subscribed to all three  
-me says:I use proton, which should have been made obvious +56independent says:I use proton, which should have been made obvious 
 22:15 22:15
 doxygen-spammer doxygen-spammer
 doxygen-spammer says:My mods are pretty insulated. The two methods in the advtrains wagon definition, and done. Easy to test with busted.  doxygen-spammer says:My mods are pretty insulated. The two methods in the advtrains wagon definition, and done. Easy to test with busted. 
 22:17 22:17
-me says:Hmm +56independent says:Hmm 
 22:17 22:17
 doxygen-spammer doxygen-spammer
 doxygen-spammer says:That could not be applied to advtrains. It interfaces the runtime too much.  doxygen-spammer says:That could not be applied to advtrains. It interfaces the runtime too much. 
 22:18 22:18
-me says:(British i don't understand but cool idea response) +56independent says:(British i don't understand but cool idea response) 
 22:18 22:18
 Blockhead Blockhead
 Blockhead says:pin your dependencies!  Blockhead says:pin your dependencies! 
 22:19 22:19
-me says:fine +56independent says:fine 
 22:21 22:21
 Maverick2797 Maverick2797
 Maverick2797 says:"relevant to liveries" business  Maverick2797 says:"relevant to liveries" business 
 22:21 22:21
-me says:In flightgear, you can change livery fromwithin the plane. Maybe in the drivers cabin, in the onboard computer, you can change livery using Blockhead's formspec  +56independent says:In flightgear, you can change livery fromwithin the plane. Maybe in the drivers cabin, in the onboard computer, you can change livery using Blockhead's formspec  
-me says:A tool and a button +56independent says:A tool and a button 
 22:22 22:22
 Maverick2797 Maverick2797
 Maverick2797 says:how often do train drivers need to change their loco's paint?  Maverick2797 says:how often do train drivers need to change their loco's paint? 
 22:23 22:23
-me says:When they go on strike  +56independent says:When they go on strike  
-me says:Black out the company name +56independent says:Black out the company name 
 22:23 22:23
 Y. Wang Y. Wang
 Y. Wang says:Just send in the tanks 😃  Y. Wang says:Just send in the tanks 😃 
 22:23 22:23
-me says:Let's get super duck in and give them the livery code so they can change livery fromwithin the hidroplane  +56independent says:Let's get super duck in and give them the livery code so they can change livery fromwithin the hidroplane  
-me says:Yep, 22:24  +56independent says:Yep, 22:24  
-me says:23:24 CEST  +56independent says:23:24 CEST  
-me says:3 hours now  +56independent says:3 hours now  
-me says:Goodnight +56independent says:Goodnight 
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 Marnack Marnack
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 doxygen-spammer says:Bye o/  doxygen-spammer says:Bye o/ 
 22:27 22:27
-me says:We should make a time-machine traversing timezone +56independent says:We should make a time-machine traversing timezone 
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 doxygen-spammer doxygen-spammer
 doxygen-spammer says:I will get home now.  doxygen-spammer says:I will get home now. 
 22:27 22:27
-me says:Wait wrong way +56independent says:Wait wrong way 
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